Talita has had this conversation before, but from Verengt's perspective it's going something like this, in human equivalents:
V: So where do you live? 🙂
T: I'm homeless.
V: Huh? Did your family kick you out?
T: I don't have a family, I was raised by wolves.
V: ...Do you want help finding a place to live??
T: No, I'm fine.
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Transcript
Talita: I don’t have a clan.
Verengt's eye widens, mane fluffing out.
Verengt: Exile??
Talita rubs her own shoulder awkwardly.
Talita: No, uh, never had one. I've lived with aliens since I was a baby.
Verengt and their entourage exchange wide eyed, tight-lipped looks, then begin to whisper amongst each other, gesturing and glancing back at Talita. Suddenly, Verengt turns back to address her.
Verengt: We know several large clans looking for new members. If you would like to be introduced–
Talita: –Thanks, but I'm fine with living alone.






194 thoughts on “Runaway to the Stars: Page 260”
Selkra
Of course Mel didn’t tell them lol
holly...!
THERE it is! the extreme culture shock we’ve been building up to!
Mallow
The raised by wolves comparison does make me wonder if centaurs have any mowgli/tarzan -esque cultural stories about an imago surviving without a clan and having to be reintegrated into society. Given the view on culling as the kinder option for an abandoned imago, I wonder if such stories might lean towards tragedy or horror
Bug
Im guessing this has to do with Talia opening her mouth. Centuars dont use their mouth to breathe or speak, just to eat, and looking back all the natives keep their mouth closed. As such, im thinking that gaping the mouth is a bite/aggression display.
meow
i feel like while this is an awkward situation for Talita, it could also turn into something she has never experienced before: bonding with other centaurs. so many people are saying the centaurs Have Gotta become less friendly now, but what if they will still try to understand? maybe not even this exact group, but at least a few of the workers might. before this Talita mostly met centaur clans that were passing through, but these ones will be living next to her and working with her, who’s to say they won’t wanna bond with her at all? i dont think it’s fair to imagine them as antagonistic just because they’re having a huge culture shock moment, and im curious what they will do or say next
the thing i find a lot more uncomfortable is the fact that they didn’t know Talita was a human adoptee before this moment and assumed there were more centaurs in general on Dirtball. Has Mel not explained to them that she’s the only centaur here? did they purposely let them assume they would be working in a place that is housing another clan already? i can assume the answer is yes and that’s honestly what’s bugging me the most abt this interaction, and even then i understand that it could create an unfair bias towards Talita from the start depending on how uncomfortable the idea of an alien-raised centaur would be to the clan
RareBird
I wonder if Mel didn’t even think to clarify Talita’s situation, because they only talked to the Gwailer about Talita being their supervisor, why would the Gwailer assume there’s more centaurs? To a human whose experience with centaurs is probably just Talita, and who is used to thinking of themself as an individual rather than as part of a specific social group like a clan, the fact that centaurs are part of a clan probably just sits in their mind as something they’ve learned, but is unrelated to anything they’ve had to deal with. Whereas to the Gwailer, why would there only be one centaur here, there’s obviously got to be a clan in residence, but only one was relevant to the job they were hired for and that’s surely why the staff have only talked about the one.
Even when you are consciously aware that cultural and social norms are very different from what you are used to, it can be hard not to act and react in the ways you’re used to, even when you are actively trying to keep those differences in mind. Mel hasn’t given me much reason to expect them to have that level of social awareness, considering this entire situation right now, so to me it makes a lot of sense that Mel just wouldn’t think about something that’s so outside what their norm is, and outside Talita’s norm as well.
Bartimaeus
You know how, back in the age of British colonialism, the british would call any Brit who got too close to the local culture “gone native”? With a derogatory slant to it.
I don’t know if that’s how this is FOR SURE gonna go, but I could see their views of Talita going like that very quickly.
Redacted
Interesting implication that the Gwailer clan is in contact with other spacer clans. Must be a tight knit community. I wonder where they were before coming to Dirtball?
Hunter
Well, it’s nice that she’s still going “Okay we can make this work” even if it seems to be more of a “Condescending compassion” kind of “Oh you poor thing”. But now I’m wondering how they’ll react to her behavior being so un-centaur-like.
Muse
the “verengt’s pov” in the description is so funny, i think it could only be better if there were more emoticons indicating how verengt’s taking her expressions alongside those statements lmaoo
T: i was raised by wolves. 8(
T: i’m fine. >8C
Salp
I like the comparison in the description of how Verengt percieves this exchange… because yeah, I’ve seen that conversation happen also. Not the “raised by wolves” part, but when unhoused people choose to decline shelter options offered, it’s often because what’s being offered is about as misaligned with their needs / limiting of their autonomy as what’s being offered to Talita here. And people have a hard time hearing that! Even if they’re reasonably graceful about it in the moment, it feeds back into their perception that the struggles people face are their own fault… because only unhelpful help has been offered, and that’s been declined.
I do appreciate that Verengt (and their clan) have been diplomatic and friendly this whole exchange – this type of offer of help is the best reaction they’re equipped to make. They really aren’t the problem in this situation…. But, their reaction from here still might not go down well.
Solidago
Now may be a good time to mention that Mel is a parent figure that you work for..! Might sound a little more familiar to them. Or maybe, given that Mel didn’t identify Talita that way, it would be weirder. XD
Duke 1337-o
Well that emotional punji pit was more of a prairie dog burrow. This is definitely gonna be interesting though…
Gar G
Oh shoot
But that was unexpectedly nice, offering to help^^
Zoeology
Really appreciating how half of Verengt’s eye socket makes up part of their scar…it’s such a smooth curve and now that I’ve noticed it it’s a bit unsettling (from a human perspective) how you can imagine a phantom eye in that space. Their design is so so cool and they’re being so courteous but man, Talita had so much stacked against her in reading her way through this conversation
ttt
can’t help but think of the line from delightlfully un-PC ‘alice’s restaurant’ when the narrator goes:
“and they alllll moved away from me on the bench there”
lmaoo poor everybody in this situation. except mel. mel is the one enabling unsafe workplace conditions. mel i hope adam throws a piece of scrap at you.
anon
This makes me wonder if there’s typically a ceremony when an outside worker is married into a new clan, like marriage ceremonies for us. Or if its just signing some paperwork.
SIGSTKFLT
I would imagine it’s a classic case of It Depends(tm)
Senri
HAHAHA AWWWW. Oh dear. I love Verengt. Poor Talita.
Gheesfellow
“I mean, we also have a knitting club-”
“No, thanks”
“……DnD group?”
JoB
“… annually-in-front-row MMM fan club?”
Trees
I bet even Centaur clans have difficulty getting everyone in the room at the same time to play D&D.
‘What do you mean Vrildin had to work a second shift today? He works here and his boss is the GM!’
Ash
reel book club?
ilvos01
it’s interesting that here Talita says “I’ve lived with aliens”. of course it makes sense when talking to other centaurs, but I think it’s the first instance of her grouping herself as a centaur in the context of non-centaurs.
…I’m not explaining that well.
If she truly viewed herself as a human, she’d say something to the effect of “I was raised by humans” or “I don’t have a centaur family”. but she said “I’ve lived with aliens”. it’s the first time she’s shown to think of herself as a normal centaur in a weird situation, instead of vice-versa.
not that I’m complaining! Talita’s unique situation is the central draw of this comic, and I love that she’s not just rejecting her centaur-ness outright, as seen in this comment, but also in her awe of the tusk-blanket. as ever, I cannot wait to see what happens next.
Gershom
that line hits, to me, like it’s maybe one of the things she learned the hard way, or was coached early to say to other centaurs if this came up. I could very well see a first interaction going WILD and someone eventually being like. hey. here’s some context. try this next time. or figuring it out by accident the hard way over and over.
Nikki
omggg they just immediately try to bring her into the fold 😭
deathbypixelz
UH OH!
jade stormcloud
There is a difference between the transcript and comic. Transcript says “We know several large clans looking for new members.” while comic says “We know several large clans marrying in new workers.”
Vinemaple
I’m surprised that Verengt didn’t themself before turning away to have a discussion with their entourage. Maybe it’s not a universal, but Clan Gwailer seem fairly fluent in this kind of thing, so it’s a surprise. Rather tactless, at least from a Human perspective.
Perhaps it’s supposed to be understood that Verengt *did,* but that’s the kind of thing I’ve learned the hard way can’t be assumed as understood, because its omission communicates something in and of itself.
All in all, it could have gone worse… but I realize we don’t actually know any *details* about the conversations Talita has had with other Centaurs before, just her descriptions to Idrisah and in AMAs. We don’t actually know how this is going relative to her previous experience! At least Verengt is trying to help…
Dilophoraptor
Assuming it’s still canon there’s an interaction in the Growth Chart book
cypr
everyone’s collective O_O face…
B
I love the shocked faces
RabbitstarMan
TALITA TALITA LOOK OUT THEY’RE WHISPERING LOUDLY ABOUT YOU
Mr. Son
That translation to human terms reminds me of the PC character from Hatoful Boyfriend. XD
“Yeah I live in a cave but it’s a nice cave I’m happy there. :3 :3 “
forthebit
Tap in to your meat-eating caveman roots!
glazeliights
in her defense, theres not many humans left who /could/ raise her
Marcie
Probably doesn’t help that ‘marriage’ has a different connotation in human vs centaur spaces. From Talita’a POV, it probably sounds like Verengt is telling her to join a harem!
Thisfox
Or at the very least marry her rights away.
zaratustra
well there you go. Talita doesn’t want to marry cause she’s a libertarian.
LizardWizard
“marriage” is probably more like “an unrelated indvidual joining into a family”. the best comparison I have for centaur’s is Eusocial insects where you have a matriarch(Queen) everyone’s related to and you take care of because you litearly share more genes with her genetically than you do with your “sisters”workers.
the biggest implication here is that all this time there was a way for Talita to join a clan but due to lack of information between human and centaurs it wasn’t known.
Foster: We have an Orphan=(unclaimed child) Centaur
Centaur: oh Orphans=(Deformed/runt/non-vaible) response: we usually kill those
cruel as it sounds there’s an unfortuant sense to that stance, when your A) are giant bee-horeses, B) produce 6 a batch and thus have 7 members to feed. C) are definetly pre-industrial given the tribal asthetic. it’s not even an unheard of thing in Eskimo Tribes who live in an icey hellscape and barely produce enough food for a family 3.
Skadoosh
Centaurs rarely adopt kids from outside. The matriarchs have an instinctive aggression response against kids they didn’t birth and even multi-matriarch households have to work around that, and there isn’t exactly a lack of children to go around. (Hence the social acceptability of culling unwanted larvae and freshly metamorphosed imagoes.) They don’t have a state foster system because all their states are just larger clans and clan alliances.
An orphan isn’t necessarily automatically assumed to be “damaged” in some way. There’s just no one to take them in.
Krasudreal
At least they can link two and two together “oh, this wolf child of course has no idea what the standards for ‘normal’ society are, because she was never in a ‘normal’ society!”
Felixscout
This is a good example of what Iain M Banks describes in Excession as an “Out of Context Problem”. The contexts of the two parties are so different they are not really communicating and the difference of the comic page and Verengt’s perspective below that page really show this.
Heather
Omg yesss. Talita’s reasons for not looking more into Centaur cultures are understandable, but I have to wonder if doing so would give her the tools to “pitch” her situation more effectively to homewold Centaurs.
Then again, the clanless-by-choice are normally seen as “mad hermits” on the Centaur homeworld (according to the lore doc) so it’s possible there IS no good way to introduce this.
LizardWizard
yeah I can totally see “Orphan” meaning VERY diffrent things. I can totally imagine centarus with they’re 6 per batch running into deformeties and near-still-borns and thinking of them as “Unclaimed child”.
if I recall the lore stated Centaurs where more early agricultural(or meat-farming). regardless the “we know tribes you can marry into” does imply that there IS a procedure for a centaur tribe to have taken her in and something getting lost in translation.
Skadoosh
Worker marriage is for adults who can already take care of themselves, not for young children. It is possible they could have found a clan to take her in as a child, especially once she was older and more of a full person in the eyes of centaur culture, but that would have taken excessive effort so eventually they just gave up and decided to raise talita by themselves. By the time she was old enough for clans to actually be interested in marrying her in/adopting her, she was already culturally human and so distant from her own species that she didn’t want to.
XtraStudios
I do like how genuinely polite & kind Verengt is trying to be all for a stranger of an entirely different background. Obviously Talita’s problem isn’t that she isn’t apart of a clan, it’s just being a misfit no matter what. But nonetheless, I think Verengt is just trying her best
Mothyards25
Thats the vibe I got as well. I know its an awkward situation all around, but it felt like Verengt was trying to be nice and include Talita in the best way they knew how.
Adam
I agree, it seems like to Centaurs, being part of a clan is an assumed and wanted thing. I imagine telling a Centaur you have no clan is like a human telling another human they’re homeless. Did you lose your home? Are you unable to work? And then trying to link them up with housing. And when Talita responds that she doesn’t want a clan, it’s like if a human responded to a housing offer with “no, I prefer being homeless.” Like I don’t think Verengt thinks something is wrong with Talita herself, I think the idea of not wanting a clan just simply does not compute to someone raised in that society.
LizardWizard
the closest I got for this is Talita is like a feral child except they got raised by aliens and so is complelty coherent and knoweldable in they’re trade even and lacking even the most BASIC of social-normality. they’re complelty alone in a way that just…doesn’t happen .
RareBird
Both sides are trying to communicate but they’re coming at it with such different backgrounds, and things that might help clarify, or be insightful to ask, just aren’t occurring to either of them.
A Box Of Fox
Pay looks like a muppet in panel 6.
A Ninny Mouse
well, its polite of them to offer her opportunities to join a clan at least? might be wise for talita to elaborate a bit more about why shes uninterested, though.
Kayjack
“and the gang promptly Yikes’ed so hard it transcended cultural boundaries”
Hopefully that denial of the gesture doesnt come across in a way that hurts their working relations.
LizardWizard
Imagine running into a sentient R-selection species and how wild parenting that might be.
R-type: Yup feels good to see my swarm of spawn-locust-swarm flying off to ravage the fields *plucks one out of the air and eats it*
Human: *looks on in horror*
R-type: what’s wrong?
Human: Isn’t that like a person?
R-type:what? no it’s way too slow a flyer to become a person
Mango The Captain
Unpositive page, but AMAZING new reaction image
Mango The Captain
Also just realized they’ve got to whisper extra quiet for Talita not to hear or use another language.
tyrone
Oh God…that 5´th panel is very first school day all over again!!
Fallingfeather
Eeesh, the IMMEDIATE change in facial expression among the centaurs. They are… trying… to be cool…
T-Bird
PLEASE, guys, keep trying to be cool! ;_;
Archieve
I love the detail that the two encourage members closest to Verenght still have wide eyes in the second last panel.
Cugz Arui
that transcript brings talitas mothers actions into even more question cuz she basically decided “oh how ever will i raise my daughter in a culture that practices infanticide. hmm… maybe those strangely clever monkeys can take care of her. yea. thats a good idea”
blythe
eh its assumed she was trafficked, i doubt a mother centaur would just hand over one baby, let alone an imago
CameoAppearance
I’ve been wondering if baby Talita might have been the only survivor of something that wiped out her bio-family and been originally found by non-centaurs who weren’t equipped to raise her. Botched trafficking operation’s definitely also a possibility though.
Green Heron
This won’t end well.
On another note, I feel like commenters advising Talita to say this or that about herself (identify as an anarchist, say Mel’s her matriarch, etc) are overestimating her familiarity with Centaur cultures. Especially with her level of avoidance.
May
I understand that Talita doesn’t know much about her culture, and if I could hypothetically give her advice I would not say “You should claim to be a member of a subculture (Anarchist) that I only know about because I read a single paragraph describing it in a publication intended for human readers”. I just have an urge to brainstorm whenever I see problems, and thought I would weigh in on an existing conversation.
Green Heron
That’s completely fair.
MutableAlias
that, and it’s inaccurate. A matriarch is a specific social role with specific expectations, and is not a direct equivalent to a human parent or caregiver. Mel is not the leader of a legally distinct group of people that includes their children, a group of partners that help look after their offspring, and other people who work under them. Even as her former foster parent, Mel isn’t in charge of Talita like that, and Mel isn’t expected to have an entourage and give birth to the clan’s workers.
The clan structure and its roles are something unique to centaur society, and neither Mel nor Talita are a part of centaur society.
Ruby
An observation I’m making (that isn’t new really) is that, for centaurs, housing is much less of a priority than a family unit. Makes prefect sense considering that many (particularly space faring ones) are nomads. For a centaur a household is a clan, not a fixed residence. Which is kinda the opposite for many humans (especially those bound to their labour).
For us having a roof over our head is an essential on par with food. We can form a community or even a family later on if those needs are met. But for many centaurs a house is just a shell, especially without a clan.
Oceanblue
Just the brilliance of having alien species with truly alien expressions but the MC was raised by humans so us readers can understand her but also get the hard sci-fi experience.
Not to mention the ANGST potential. There’s something universal about putting your fav characters in a blender.
Asternautilus
im so glad i was wrong but im also so sad that this is going down exactly how Talita explained these interactions go to Idrisah… Starts well enough, they ask for her clan, and it all starts going south bit by bit.
Poor gal..
TeethBurglar
The fact Jachipt was very quick to go back to neutral/relaxed eyelids shows just how nonchalant they are. Straight up aura maxing.
HAL9000
truly the chill guy that lowkey doesnt give a fuck